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DerekSupreme Master Smokie Arbroath, Scotland1616 Posts
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2 days ago |  Posted - 19 May 2010 : 01:13:31 AM    
Regular Shoppie readers may well be aware of my interest in local history and genealogy. I am also interested in the combination of the two, genealogical military history.
I've researched my own families military past (still ongoing, however not local people) and wondered if other members would like help researching theirs?
Peculiarly it is far easier finding information on those who died in wars than it is on those who survived them. So if any shoppie patrons have family on local war memorials I have the two World War Roll of Honour books for Arbroath and can do lookups if required.
I can suggest routes of research for specific regiments, battles, related websites or info on researching POW's.
Cheers,
Derek.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others.
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MarcolHaggis Supper 64 Posts
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Yesterday | Posted - 22 May 2010 : 6:15:22 PM
Hi Derek - I wonder if you can help me, my grandfather Edwin Henderson Smith (Army No 73959) was killed in the First World War in France. He was wounded about the 14th/15th October 1918 and died at 12 General Hospital Rouen. He served with 2/ Notts and Derby Regt. I would like to know where he was wounded,and is it possible to get access to Regt diaries online or do you have to go to the National Archives at Kew to see them. |
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DerekSupreme Master SmokieArbroath, Scotland1616 Posts
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2 days ago | Posted - 23 May 2010 : 1:58:56 PM
Hello Marcol,
I suppose you've already seen these two entries of his on the CWGC and SNWM?
CWGC
Name: SMITH, EDWIN HENDERSON
Initials: E H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment)
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 17/10/1918
Service No: 73959
Additional information: Son of Peter and Jane McCrow Smith, of Fallow Farm, Inverkeilor, Montrose; husband of Elizabeth Robertson Smith, of 10, Jamieson St., Arbroath.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: S. II. M. 17.
Cemetery: ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN
SNWM
Surname: SMITH
Firstname: Edwin
Service Number: 73959
Date Death: 17/10/1918
Place of birth: Monifieth, Forfarshire
Other: 2nd Bn. formerly S4/146583, R.A.S.C.
SNWM roll: SCOTTISH CASUALTIES EXTRACTED FROM ENGLISH REGIMENTS
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.
The history of the 2nd Battalion of the Notts & Derby Sherwood Foresters during the first world war can be bought for £11.50 from "The Naval and Military Press" - http://www.naval-military-press.com/1st-and-2nd-battalions-the-sherwood-foresters-nottinghamshire-and-derbyshire-regiment-in-the-great-war.html
Your grandad is on both the Arbroath and Inverkeilor memorials I see.
Here's his entry from the Arbroath & District Roll of Honour book.
I've a few other avenues to pursue, hopefuly I can find out where he was injured, ie. what battle or what his regiment were doing at that time.
Oddly enough he was working in D.Y. Walker the butchers when he volunteered, this is now part of the pub I work in!
Cheers,
Derek.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others.
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MarcolHaggis Supper64 Posts
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Yesterday | Posted - 26 May 2010 : 4:45:34 PM
Hello Derek,
Thanks for the information, I think my grandad is on the Inverkeilor War Memorial because his parents lived at Fallaw Farm, Inverkeilor.
As you are very interested in the history of Arbroath,I thought you would like to see the Millgate Loan/West Grimsby corner as it was just before the First World War. The second photo is not very clear.  |
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DerekSupreme Master SmokieArbroath, Scotland1616 Posts
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2 days ago | Posted - 26 May 2010 : 11:27:27 PM
Those are crackers, aren't they.
The first one and another of the same vintage with the pub and buthcers in it are hanging inside the pub today.
The second picture there I've seen hanging on a wall in the Library, in the computer room I think. It's a large and very clear print of it.
Regardig your grandad. Have you sent away for his military record? If it exists it would be full of information.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others.
-- Groucho Marx |
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MarcolHaggis Supper64 Posts
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Yesterday | Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 11:28:09 AM
Hi Derek - I have not got back to you as I have been on holday, can you tell me how to access my grandad's military records, do you have to do this through Ancestry.Co? |
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8ballHaggis Supper (with extra sauce) Arbroath, Scotland147 Posts
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Today | Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 7:15:12 PM
Great pics.. is that a dog inside the door?. Reminds me of a story my Grany told me years ago,but thats for another topic
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DerekSupreme Master SmokieArbroath, Scotland1616 Posts
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2 days ago | Posted - 16 Jun 2010 : 12:03:58 AM
Marcol,
Yeah, ancestry.co.uk is the way to go.
You'd have to be pretty lucky to find them though. If I remember right only approximately one third survive after being burned in the 1940 blitz. It's worth looking though.
I asked a guy with access to good Notts & Derby material to look up what they were doing at the dates your grandad was injured and again later when he died.
Here's what he got back to me:
During July 1918 they were in the areas of Ridgewood and Elzenwalle,
Brigade Headquarters at WARTAN FARM.
A couple of raids on enemy trenches during this month.
15.10.1918
Quiet day on the whole a number of gas shells dropped on 'A' Company's front towards the evening which resulted in 14 gas casualties.
I hope this helps,
Derek.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others.
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MarcolHaggis Supper64 Posts
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Yesterday | Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 9:53:06 PM
Hi Derek - Thanks for all your help I really appreciate the amount of work you have done for me. However my Grandad was not gassed, he died of a gunshot wound to the spine. I have the telegraphs sent from Lichfield, the first on the night of 15th October 1918 informing my gran that he was wounded, one on the 18th October 1918 saying no further new and the last on the 21st October 1918 stating that he had died on 17th October 1918, so I think that the communications are maybe a few days out. |
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DerekSupreme Master SmokieArbroath, Scotland1616 Posts
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2 days ago | Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 01:03:06 AM
Hmm, I wonder what they were doing?
It's great that the telegrams still exist in your family. We have nothing like that in my family as far as I know, although there are many branches and some other lot may have such family mementos?
So is your grandad the young man in the pics with D.Y. Walker then?
Here's one of Bob Petrie's old pics, a bit fuzzy though.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others.
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MarcolHaggis Supper64 Posts
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Yesterday | Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 1:54:09 PM
Pity the photo is not of better quality, but the shop signs look older than in my photo. David Barnett took over the licence of the then Swan Inn,3 Millgate Loan in October 1901. don't know when the name was changed probably about that time. |
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DerekSupreme Master SmokieArbroath, Scotland1616 Posts
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2 days ago | Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 2:56:01 PM
I was told by an old fella that when it was Barentt's it was still caled by some "The Black Swan" as the relief carving of a swan above the premesis from it's previous incarnaton was still visible under a layer of black paint.
It looks like a postcard, maybe Bob can tell us where he sourced it from?
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others.
-- Groucho Marx |
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DerekSupreme Master SmokieArbroath, Scotland1616 Posts
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2 days ago | Posted - 05 Jul 2010 : 12:29:13 AM
Another useful research tool are Medal Index Cards, which are viewable at ancestry.co.uk or The National Archives.
These cards tell you what medals a soldiers was entitled to while sometimes also giving some information about them. Here's Edwin's. It show his service in the Army Service Corps, Sherwood Forresters and Welsh Infantry.
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MarcolHaggis Supper64 Posts
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Yesterday | Posted - 11 Jul 2010 : 6:44:28 PM
Hi Derek - Thanks for the copy of the Medal Index Card. I have had a look at the letters I have from my Grandad to my Granny to see what I can find out.
Letter dated 20/04/1917 In this letter my Grandad says he is going to Egypt shortly. Was there no censoring of letters? (See photo )
Letter dated 20/05/1917 In this he says that he has left Aldershot and marched to Southampton but the docks were closed due to submarines, and that he is in a rest camp.
Letter dated 01/10/1917 In this one he tells my Granny that his new addres is
Pte E.H.Smith,
No59285,
41st Welsh Regt,
B.Coy,
Badger Barracks,
Aldershot. Did the soldier change number when they joined a new regiment?
My Grandad is 3rd from right in back row |
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DerekSupreme Master SmokieArbroath, Scotland1616 Posts
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2 days ago | Posted - 11 Jul 2010 : 10:28:37 PM
Good photo.
Yes, at that time his number would change if he moved to a different regiment.
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Smokie1756Senior Smokie  Scotland455 Posts
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23 Aug 2010 | Posted - 15 Aug 2010 : 7:06:30 PM
Derek anything on my Grandfather Peter Fenton who was invalided out in 1916 after being unjured in Sept 1914? He was a career Black Watch soldier who had enlisted in 1902/1903.
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hoggsterWee Smokie  Arbroath, Scotland338 Posts
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3 days ago | Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 9:44:56 PM
there is a web page that my husband found www.britishwargraves.co.uk where he found the grave stone of his great uncle james who was killed in france in the first world war the person who runs it sent us the picture of the stone which is now in the hands of his gran
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LloydWee HaggisUnited Kingdom1 Posts
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6 days ago | Posted - 24 Aug 2010 : 4:59:47 PM
Hi Derek
Can you help me find out about my Great Grandad? I was born 10 minutes from london,
but my Nans side of the family, pretty much all seem to be from Arbroath!
My Nans Dad, Thomas Barnet, born 13 Jan 1897 in Arbroath was a Private in the 1/1st Highland Cyclist Battalion.
Thats what it says on his Marriage certificate. I have tried to search online for more info on the HCB but am really struggling.
Any pointers you can give me would be really helpfull.
Many Thanks
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DerekSupreme Master SmokieArbroath, Scotland1616 Posts
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2 days ago | Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 5:27:48 PM
Marcol, here's another cracker for you from one of the "Wir Bookie" series.
Lloyd,
I've a news clipping from the courier about the H.C.B. from a year or so ago.
There's a gravestone at the back of the High School which marks the spot where a regimental dog mascot of the H.C.B was buried. see more info here:
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=2189&mforum=warmemscot
I'd recommend "The Great War Forum" as the one stop shop for any queries regarding the military of that time. The knowledge base within the large membership there is astounding, there is no shortage of people willing to share information.
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/
Hope this helps,
Derek.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others.
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